Curse

OI-812 · Aug 30, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

"The Headbutting Butthead"

Warrior/Necromancer

12 Curses
12+1+3 Strength
3+1 Tactics
Survivor Insignia on head, hands and feet, Radiant Insignia on chest and legs.
Superior Vigor rune, Superior Absorption rune, and a Rune of Vitae.

[skill]Headbutt[/skill][skill]Plague Touch[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Touch[/skill][skill]Sprint[/skill][skill]Lion's Comfort[/skill][skill]Signet of Stamina[/skill][skill]Endure Pain[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Weapon: Curses staff with Insightful Staff Head +5 energy, Staff Wrapping of Fortitude +30, and a perfect "Aptitude not Attitude" inscription.

Alternately, one could replace either [skill]Signet of Stamina[/skill] or [skill]Endure Pain[/skill] with [skill]Shield Bash[/skill], and use a Curses rod with a Memory wrapping, and a "Hale and Hearty" inscription, and a Strength based shield of Fortitude +30 health with a "Master of My Domain" inscription.

Been trying it in both PvE (with a couple of heroes) and PvP in RA, still testing it as I write this. Wanted to see what reactions I would get to this build here

EDIT: Also considering adding [skill]Flail[/skill] or [skill]Tiger Stance[/skill] in place of [skill]Sprint[/skill].

moko · Aug 30, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Signet of stamina ends if you hit. (flail would be useless, same with tiger stance etc)

Endure Pain is horrible.

Enfeebling touch on a war?

bad build for PvE; bad in PvP also.

the headbutt/plague touch idea can work in PvP but it's really energy heavy.

a proper IAS and some attack skills with a deepwound and such would be better, or possible "Watch Yourself!" which owns the pathetic HP boosting skills by a lot.

also, how in the hell are you supposed to manage energy?

MBP · Aug 30, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Headbutt is just too high energy for it to work good I'm sorry. Especially with only 2/5 insignias being radiant.

I've tried it with plague touch...it's just too much energy for the warrior to handle.

It might work better on a N/W toucher because of the higher energy base but then you have to deal with lower AL.

[skill]vampiric bite[/skill][skill]wallow's bite[/skill][skill]enfeebling touch[/skill][skill]headbutt[/skill][skill]plague touch[/skill][skill]sprint[/skill][skill]signet of lost souls[/skill] res

try to fit in necrosis if in pve in place of wallow's I guess

12 strength
8 curses(+1?)
12+1+3 blood
remaining in soul reaping(+1?)

I don't know this probably won't work either

Seren!ty · Aug 30, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBP

I don't know this probably won't work either

Necro's dont get strength and going melee as a caster is generally a bad idea

Quote:

Originally Posted by OI-812

"The Headbutting Butthead"

Warrior/Necromancer

12 Curses
12+1+3 Strength
3+1 Tactics
...

I ran Headbutt + plague touch just for fun some months ago and I didn't like it at all, the damage you deal is crap and it's to energy heavy. Sure, you can keep your energy up with a zealous weapon and an adrenaline based IAS but I honestly don't think it's worth it.

In PvP: Most players are smart enough to remove the daze effect immediatly and the damage ain't that great either considering the long recharge... a waste of 20 energy and an elite slot imo.
In PvE: You take monsters down in under 10 seconds, dazing them and waiting for a 20 second recharge is a waste of an elite slot if you ask me. There are a whole lot more, and much better elites out there.

OI-812 · Aug 30, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Ah well, I tried it in RA, and like Mokone said, my lack of energy management proved to be a big problem. That, and the fact that after I headbutted/plague touched the first victim and put enfeebling touch to do a little more damage and cover the dazed, I was left standing there saying "Um, now what?" due to the recharge on Headbutt.

As for PvE, I was thinking that this build (with a couple of alterations) would be a decent way to shut down a caster boss, as you need all the condition duration you can get against bosses. Useless for anything else, though, I guess.

Trbayth · Aug 30, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokone

Endure Pain is horrible.

How is Endure Pain horrible? And what would you replace it with?

Trb--

Arkantos · Aug 31, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

You're running 12 curses for enfeebling touch? That's a huge waste. Your build does no damage at all. You'll have no energy management. You don't even have enough strength/tactics to get 16AL from a shield. Sorry, but this build is horrible.

fenix · Aug 31, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

What is this build even meant to do, except be bad? I don't understand...you will get shut down by anything and everything...

You need to read over the Warrior skills a bit more, before making abortions like this.

Faer · Aug 31, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by OI-812

As for PvE, I was thinking that this build (with a couple of alterations) would be a decent way to shut down a caster boss

Well, maybe, but I'd suggest a Ranger with [wiki]Broad Head Arrow[/wiki] instead. Much more utility, leaves more room for damage on the Warrior, and a better way to maintain Daze on a target. Sorry to rain on your parade.

Carboplatin · Aug 31, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

even skullcrack would be better. headbutt is one of the worse skill ever.

OI-812 · Aug 31, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Well, failure teaches (I hope), and 50% of the reason I came up with this absurd build was because I was bored of my desperate scythe war, and I figured at worst it would be an amusing failure, at best it might prove marginally useful.

I think my RA teammates s**t a brick when they saw some dumbass warrior with a wand and shield. Shame the game doesn't provide facial expressions

A Leprechaun · Sep 01, 2007, 08:32 AM // 08:32

@ R Langdon - Headbutt is a king among skills, mainly for the fact that it is indeed a headbutt.

@ MBP - 12 strength.... on a necro...strength being a warriors primary attribute...

Sorry but your build would not cut it, not even in PvE.

~A Leprechaun~

Lykan · Sep 01, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by OI-812

"The Headbutting Butthead"

Warrior/Necromancer

12 Curses
12+1+3 Strength
3+1 Tactics
Survivor Insignia on head, hands and feet, Radiant Insignia on chest and legs.
Superior Vigor rune, Superior Absorption rune, and a Rune of Vitae.

[skill]Headbutt[/skill][skill]Plague Touch[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Touch[/skill][skill]Sprint[/skill][skill]Lion's Comfort[/skill][skill]Signet of Stamina[/skill][skill]Endure Pain[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Weapon: Curses staff with Insightful Staff Head +5 energy, Staff Wrapping of Fortitude +30, and a perfect "Aptitude not Attitude" inscription.

Alternately, one could replace either [skill]Signet of Stamina[/skill] or [skill]Endure Pain[/skill] with [skill]Shield Bash[/skill], and use a Curses rod with a Memory wrapping, and a "Hale and Hearty" inscription, and a Strength based shield of Fortitude +30 health with a "Master of My Domain" inscription.

Been trying it in both PvE (with a couple of heroes) and PvP in RA, still testing it as I write this. Wanted to see what reactions I would get to this build here

EDIT: Also considering adding [skill]Flail[/skill] or [skill]Tiger Stance[/skill] in place of [skill]Sprint[/skill].

This is the best bit of your build >[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
Warriors kill stuff, helps if you have some damage in the build or at least some points in a weapon attribute.
And why do you have 3 slots devoted to healing yourself, thats what monks are for seriously, even in RA were you cant guarentee a monk you just need heal sig.

zling · Sep 16, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBP

Headbutt is just too high energy for it to work good I'm sorry. Especially with only 2/5 insignias being radiant.

I've tried it with plague touch...it's just too much energy for the warrior to handle.

It might work better on a N/W toucher because of the higher energy base but then you have to deal with lower AL.

[skill]vampiric bite[/skill][skill]wallow's bite[/skill][skill]enfeebling touch[/skill][skill]headbutt[/skill][skill]plague touch[/skill][skill]sprint[/skill][skill]signet of lost souls[/skill] res

try to fit in necrosis if in pve in place of wallow's I guess

12 strength
8 curses(+1?)
12+1+3 blood
remaining in soul reaping(+1?)

I don't know this probably won't work either

I'm surprised nobody saw this already but how exactly do you use 12 strength on a necro primary?

strength is warrior's PRIMARY attribute remember?
and since head butt is tied to strength you must use it on warrior PRIMARY...

anyway, best bet for a head butt build will be a regular warrior build with head butt and plague touch... any more will be overkill and be a lot less useful than a normal warrior.

P.S for PvP if you want to spread daze so badly go with quivering blade and plague touch as you will get blocked a lot...

X Cytherea X · Sep 16, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

this whole thread = epic phail

onerabbit · Sep 16, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

pwnage build imo .

Squishy ftw · Sep 16, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

LoL, so you got all these energy skills.. no way to manage it.. and your damage comes from.. a wand/staff ?

I think I dont need to explain myself here

Yukito Kunisaki · Sep 17, 2007, 03:35 AM // 03:35

casts vote: build sucks

It's been explained already by this many people already...

Do people read basic warrior guides anymore?

It's too bad though, to be efficient, creativity gets a stick in the ass as well...